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DOW 27 Mar 2020 09:34 #451

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Hi Libero, how do you zoom in on your chart?
I guess I am getting old :D
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DOW 27 Mar 2020 09:15 #452

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15 minute action on the Dow...

21945 line looks interesting.
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DOW 27 Mar 2020 07:24 #453

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I had allocated 40% of my pension into funds in Gold and US UK tracker to catch this bounce and sold into the rally yesterday.
Still think we drift back down into the May/June time frame. I am guessing the Virus may have peaked by then and although the economy will have been brought to its knees the only way from there will be up even if slowly :)
Ironically Darwinism Survival of the fittest will apply to businesses whilst the social distancing and Herculean efforts of the NHS will cheat evolution and protect the old and vulnerable - that is the true value of money.

Stay safe - Any profit is just icing on the cake ;)
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TF, There is a high chance that DOW may (MAY) go down....
and some people are even saying oil could go to 10$....
I am not sure where we are heading... if I knew I would have invested last week and would been out earlier this week.... :)

Lets wait and see, hope people like us and common man survives this times and come back as a stronger human.... stay safe... ta G
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dow - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...BhN6+0UVHHqlWThxDPc=

can see 2 similar moves on the dow....highlighted in the 2 boxes...

This current big move down then rally....almost identical to what happened back in late Feb/Early March.
Was calling this market down then as well...not many thought it would go down so much....

I still very much think one more big down move to come....ending around the 10.000 area imho....
If it doesn't happen i will eat my socks!! :dry:
ok i won't actually eat my socks....but i'm confident this will go down from here...
While the first and second moves were quick....i think the next move will be slower....maybe with more rallies...it could take weeks....maybe months to get to the target of 10k....and will be harder to trade...

Can anyone give me any good reasons to be bullish on these market atm??
3 million people unemployed in 1 week!

things are so bad the Mexicans are stopping the Americans coming in! :ohmy:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52053656

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DOW 26 Mar 2020 21:10 #456

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Steep downtrend line at 22760 tomorrow. Might need an 800+ pt stop to cover the gap if shorting.

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DOW 26 Mar 2020 19:55 #457

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dow - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...wuLzkB9fyQ1MCooyquQ=

as we come into the close....watch 22625 area.....if this is still in a bear mode....the rally should stall around that area imho....

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DOW 26 Mar 2020 14:59 #458

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Apologies for talking non-technicals but how can 3m unemployed in a week cause a rally? Were they expecting worse?! :ohmy:

Market and White house consensus was around 4million I believe?

I think the Fiscal and Monetary packages coming in will look to provide support to the afflicted; although helicopter money isn't going to replace a job (regular income et al). The idea is GDP next Quarter won't be as devastating.

The battle lines for 22020 range on the Dow, and 5755 on the FTSE are drawn; all the same, I think I'll take a break from scalps, for now.
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DOW 26 Mar 2020 14:42 #459

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Looks like the Fed is pumping this... ;)
As you guys say... the news is all still bad.... :

They really want to hold this up....
How long will they be able to pump this??

Watch the numbers I posted yesterday....I think they should hold....let’s see..

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DOW 26 Mar 2020 14:38 #460

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Apologies for talking non-technicals but how can 3m unemployed in a week cause a rally? Were they expecting worse?! :ohmy:
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the dow is battling on the 22020 lines...
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DOW 26 Mar 2020 12:37 #462

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AdeMcG wrote:
key jobless figures due any moment...might make for a high volatile trading day

Imagine that.... Normally the fireworks were reserved for NFP or rates, but 3,283,000 souls out of work within a heart-beat is terribly sad.

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DOW 26 Mar 2020 12:30 #463

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key jobless figures due any moment...might make for a high volatile trading day
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DOW 26 Mar 2020 10:46 #464

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moved my stop up to break even now as going to enjoy the sunshine for a little while in the garden..
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I’ve gone long from 21000 and my limit order is 200 points away..and stop is 100 points away....so looking at 200 points profit....
As that’s the size of rounded bottom roughly...well nearer 250
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DOW 26 Mar 2020 10:29 #466

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I was forced to get out of bed cos of ipad battery running low.....pain

theres a rounded bottom on the 1 min chart.....im going long at 21000 with 100 point stop...
just incase
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DOW 26 Mar 2020 09:25 #467

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remo wrote:


Possible head and shoulder formation on hourly....needs a break below 20700,
Also strong support at 20400 ish area....
If a break below 20400 then I’d expect the down trend to resume.....
These are crazy markets and while I’m chatting moves of 100s of points takes place....lol

utter madness... unlimited QE, zero rates, fiscal package worth 10% of US GDP... crazy times. :S

And yes, the futures intra minute volatility is mad! Just be sure to charge your tablet Remo! it's running low!!! :ohmy:
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DOW 26 Mar 2020 08:33 #468

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Possible head and shoulder formation on hourly....needs a break below 20700,
Also strong support at 20400 ish area....
If a break below 20400 then I’d expect the down trend to resume.....
These are crazy markets and while I’m chatting moves of 100s of points takes place....lol
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Jackozy wrote:
The drop over the last couple of weeks came in a single move so perhaps we ought to expect a relief rally followed by another wave down but these are remarkable times.

The steep downtrend line meets the 38.2% retracement level of the drop at c. 22540 om Monday. Not saying it'll happen like that but it's interesting to note. There are also gaps all over the place, most notably the one from the 23553 close from 11 March which is close to the 50% retracement (close being a relative term in days of 2000 point moves).

No trading for me, just observing.

DowDaily25_03_20.png

Good see you Jackozy! it has been ages!

Yep, this market is mad - anyone for a 1,000 stop?

How do you navigate this madness.... :ohmy: :unsure: :ohmy:
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DOW 25 Mar 2020 21:12 #470

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The drop over the last couple of weeks came in a single move so perhaps we ought to expect a relief rally followed by another wave down but these are remarkable times.

The steep downtrend line meets the 38.2% retracement level of the drop at c. 22540 om Monday. Not saying it'll happen like that but it's interesting to note. There are also gaps all over the place, most notably the one from the 23553 close from 11 March which is close to the 50% retracement (close being a relative term in days of 2000 point moves).

No trading for me, just observing.

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DOW 25 Mar 2020 19:50 #471

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Well, we have our answer - the rally is being sold into the close.
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DOW 25 Mar 2020 19:22 #472

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remo wrote:


Perfect level for a short on a first attempt is coming...but it would require around 600 point stop....

22590 ish.....That’s the 38.2 fib level from the high to the low .....

This market has gone crazy and I suspect this is all just a bear trap so be really careful..

Great for trading in and out thou....but only for the crazy....

And if your wondering why I’m posting IG charts out.....cos I’m lying in bed being lazy and using an iPad....
Also IG Charts show full 24 hour moves so can be very handy....


I must say, I am really loving the updates and seeing how people are trading and do trade. :cheer:

In these strange times, this is certainly breaking up the bad news.

Good job everyone. B)
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DOW 25 Mar 2020 19:19 #473

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remo wrote:

And if your wondering why I’m posting IG charts out.....cos I’m lying in bed being lazy and using an iPad....
Also IG Charts show full 24 hour moves so can be very handy....

Please do continue! (not being lazy, but trading!) ;)

I do hate trading alone - I've been working from home, but one of the screens is fixed on IG, and I've been nipping in and out. really stressful (but, first world problems).

Now, will the market sell-off into the close, or will they try to tease investors back in by rallying hard in the last hour like last night? :S
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DOW 25 Mar 2020 18:31 #474

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Well another strong day on the indices....they needed a good rally and not that surprising with the sort numbers the fed has come up with which are staggering....but it also shows the size of the problem and crisis imho....

So are we off to the races again then? are bulls back in charge?

Not yet...not by a long way imho...
dow - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...YAgEl7cPLyV9P+K48F0=

This to me looks like it will test the 20 day ema line... :whistle: around 20700....im not trading atm...if i was that would be the number to short...
If it breaks or gaps above...then shorts...then bears need to watch and need to wait for the level to break down again imho...
The way this moves this could hit that are today! :ohmy: or maybe tomorrow?

ftse - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...ZVEia7zoO3RZ+gBY238=

same set up here...watch that 20 day ema line feature on the daily...during market hours..

dax - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...huNjFX0CKeMaAWDvh6U=

here as well 20 day ema line...is the key imvho...

stay safe folks...
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DOW 25 Mar 2020 17:56 #475

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Perfect level for a short on a first attempt is coming...but it would require around 600 point stop....

22590 ish.....That’s the 38.2 fib level from the high to the low .....

This market has gone crazy and I suspect this is all just a bear trap so be really careful..

Great for trading in and out thou....but only for the crazy....

And if your wondering why I’m posting IG charts out.....cos I’m lying in bed being lazy and using an iPad....
Also IG Charts show full 24 hour moves so can be very handy....
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Libero wrote:
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I don’t use IG for share dealing, I only really use it for indexes.....But nothing wrong with using like a share dealing account...as it’s tax free...but remember it’s only for short term as it’s spread betting end of the day..
2,,,,yes I use them ......I look after my wife’s SIPP ..,,,,I use Hargreaves Lansdown .....They are great for funds...
I’ve closed all her positions just before the crash....lol....and have been buying some shares back into it...

Much obliged Remo.

(IG now offer actual sharedealing and SIPP accounts too, so will investigate - but will check out HL for sure!)

Now, back to the Dow - one word: insane. I've gone short with the FTSE, but not at the best place (used 5/15 to look for entry - but it is looking choppy!)

lol....sorry,,,, did not know that.....
It all comes down to there fees, I’m not certain about that so worth looking into..
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I use HL for my SIPP too - and for my ISA. They are, as Remo says, great for funds.
I've bought in a little today - just for scalping though...
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remo wrote:


I don’t use IG for share dealing, I only really use it for indexes.....But nothing wrong with using like a share dealing account...as it’s tax free...but remember it’s only for short term as it’s spread betting end of the day..
2,,,,yes I use them ......I look after my wife’s SIPP ..,,,,I use Hargreaves Lansdown .....They are great for funds...
I’ve closed all her positions just before the crash....lol....and have been buying some shares back into it...

Much obliged Remo.

(IG now offer actual sharedealing and SIPP accounts too, so will investigate - but will check out HL for sure!)

Now, back to the Dow - one word: insane. I've gone short with the FTSE, but not at the best place (used 5/15 to look for entry - but it is looking choppy!)
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im back on the sidelines (with shorts)as this rally is kinda mad....
its going to be short lived but you have to be careful when it goes mad like this...
But i have actually bought some shares for the long term again...around 40% invested...The other 60% will be invested once the markets gets hammered again...

Hey Remo,

I've been thinking about allocating cash to shares, and did miss some "near term bottoms" (might be the actual bottoms to some equities, but that's cool). The questions I have, to yourself and the board (and forgive me for using the Dow forum!) are:

1. Are you guys using IG share-dealing (not many reviews, but I figured it's a good platform, consolidated etc...)

2. SIPPs - do you guys like them? (again, perhaps on reflection these questions should left to another forum - i'll get to work on that!)

On the Dow, the violent moves continue - you know, after yesterday's rally, you knew more money will follow in today, because of the headlines - it's a headline grabber - the biggest rally since 1933 etc... This will attract money, and market-maker mark ups.

I'm still skeptical. What I would say, is that while this "bear-market" may last a good few months, given the steepest drops we've seen, it's likely that some bottom (don't know whose!) were reached. I honestly don't know anymore. All's I know, is that I've been scalping scraps - and I like it! :woohoo:


I don’t use IG for share dealing, I only really use it for indexes.....But nothing wrong with using like a share dealing account...as it’s tax free...but remember it’s only for short term as it’s spread betting end of the day..
2,,,,yes I use them ......I look after my wife’s SIPP ..,,,,I use Hargreaves Lansdown .....They are great for funds...
I’ve closed all her positions just before the crash....lol....and have been buying some shares back into it...
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Went short near the resistance , played out well for the time being but this market is crazy ..
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remo wrote:
im back on the sidelines (with shorts)as this rally is kinda mad....
its going to be short lived but you have to be careful when it goes mad like this...
But i have actually bought some shares for the long term again...around 40% invested...The other 60% will be invested once the markets gets hammered again...

Hey Remo,

I've been thinking about allocating cash to shares, and did miss some "near term bottoms" (might be the actual bottoms to some equities, but that's cool). The questions I have, to yourself and the board (and forgive me for using the Dow forum!) are:

1. Are you guys using IG share-dealing (not many reviews, but I figured it's a good platform, consolidated etc...)

2. SIPPs - do you guys like them? (again, perhaps on reflection these questions should left to another forum - i'll get to work on that!)

On the Dow, the violent moves continue - you know, after yesterday's rally, you knew more money will follow in today, because of the headlines - it's a headline grabber - the biggest rally since 1933 etc... This will attract money, and market-maker mark ups.

I'm still skeptical. What I would say, is that while this "bear-market" may last a good few months, given the steepest drops we've seen, it's likely that some bottom (don't know whose!) were reached. I honestly don't know anymore. All's I know, is that I've been scalping scraps - and I like it! :woohoo:
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if you look at the dow chart on the hourly it looks like we are having a cup and handle breakout...Which is bullish.. The target is 3000 points higher to 24000....I know its kinda mad...


the problem we have is,
This aint normal times
Countries pumping serious money into the markets.
Corona virus has just started and America will be the worse hit out of all the countries.

To me this looks like a classic bear trap but how high it will go before the turn is the million dollar question...I would look at fibs to get a good idea of the strong resistance areas..
I would say the 38.2% is the best area to short this rally..which is around 22570 ish


but markets can turn really quickly so bear that in mind..


Me personally will be trading a lot lower if i see some thing like a shooting star near a resistance...currently one is forming on the hourly chart right at resistance...But this is based on ig charts so will only be a small bet..
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im back on the sidelines (with shorts)as this rally is kinda mad....
its going to be short lived but you have to be careful when it goes mad like this...
But i have actually bought some shares for the long term again...around 40% invested...The other 60% will be invested once the markets gets hammered again...
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From bbc news today....
Donald Trump is doubling down on previous comments that the US should immediately reopen the economy, bucking advice of health experts. “You can destroy a country this way by shutting it down,” he said on Tuesday.

“You’re going to lose more people by putting the country in a massive recession” or depression. “I would love to have the country opened up and just rearing to go by Easter.”

Just seems really desperate to me...
He can try to pump up the markets with trillions....but you cannot solve a Pandemic without closing up cities.....
Still think with Trump in the hot seat....and a real crisis to deal with here, he's just going to make a bad situation into a complete disaster imho...

Today looked like a good day for the big boys to close and bank shorts....so a short squeeze...but with this whole issue still very much to play out.....they will be back before we know it to put the boot in again... :ohmy:

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Gone short again from 21000,
Added to a few small shorts I had from lower level...
Only small bets so had stops wide...
Come morning time may get bailed out..lol...
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Here's today's chart:

DowDaily24_03_20.png

Gap down, bounce of major support then gap up.

Again, the question is: is this a relief rally or a very fast trend reversal?

I'm inclined to think the former based on the pattern but these days, who knows?

There are a few resistance levels shown on the chart.
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Some good posts and calls here today :)

Watch the last hour....imho...be interesting to see if this holds the gains was just a big p & d...

be back later...with some thoughts...

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Next level I’m going to place a short at is 20500, and not earlier...
This level was resistance a few days ago and I expect that to be the same today...
I’m going to place my stop above 21000 as that’s where the lower high is...
The bulls will only have a chance if the Dow closes above 21000......
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Kudos Remo. Brilliant one as usual.

I must concede, I'm only scalping here and there, can't open a long (or short for too long!) - This morning a took a few quid from Shell (and didn't mind that it charged forward as I got my fish n chip money!).

This tactic has worked well, the trouble is, it requires immense focus, and can't even leave the desk! I'm not suggesting that stops/limts aren't the way, but I think during these volatile times, the manual click of the mouse works best for me! :cheer:

Also, noted a couple of things:

1. The spreads aren't tight - They say traders love to buy shirts... because they keep losing them!

2. for single point on the Dow, I'm staking over a grand.

This is a very risky business.

Be Safe and do what you keep on doing!
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As can see clearly....The trend line held on first attempt.....now if it goes to the trend line for a second attempt it will be too risky to short at that level today...
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This is an hourly chart of the Dow,

I’m going to short this rally on a first attempt of that down trend line......as it looks like it’s going to be in an area of resistance when the price gets there....currently around 20200 area but that change each hour lower.....so one to watch...
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Also potentially a few exhaustion gaps down today....
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Here we are - 50% Fib of the rise up from 2009 lows and a major battleground in 2015/6:

DowWeekly23_03_20.png

FTSE also hit 61.8% Fib on Friday:

FTSEWeekly20_03_20.png

I guess the question is: has this been the first of 3 corrective waves down, or the entire correction? Seems difficult from an economic perspective to imagine it's the whole correction.

61.8% Fib for Dow is c. 15300 and WS's Feb 2016 low close is 15660.

Stay safe and stay at home everyone.
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One point here also....With most of the western world, could even say the whole world effectively shut....

i don't think the markets will bottom until we have some sort of medical breakthrough...it could just keep hitting and breaking below support level after support level imvho...

atb,
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Well was i looking at this just now(can't resist!)
Things always look much clearer if there's no pressure of actually trading it!

dow - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...ljpaReB/+rUZEsYaVVs=

Is that a bear flag which we broke below today??
Very close to this key 18,000/18200 support area... ;)
OK, Its not very clear....so what about the ftse and dax?

ftse-daily
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...zreByRCmnsQe9snjU%3D
pretty clear bear flag here....imho.. :ohmy:

Dax - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...%2FICR3FMqxK74TdA%3D

again to me that's a pretty much a bear flag...
sometimes it can be a fine line between bear flag and a bottom and rebound....but it has to be said all of these indexes are still making lower lows.....

I think a break below 18,200....or make it 18,000 to eliminate doubt....with some kind of gap type technical event....could well be the momentum trigger for the next leg down on all the markets imvho...

atb, wdik, dyor,
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I lost 2 k in 2 mins....lol...I was short and stop was miles away and then the feds made the announcements and it took my shorts out.....then it went lower than my initial entry....which was painful to watch... I also lost 1k on longs which I took after my shorts were taken out...so double double whammy for me today...very painful....
So now just on the sidelines watching the markets go lower as don’t want to give any more money back today so taking a break for today as lost too much in one day...Will continue tomorrow as it will be a fresh day and emotions will be in check..
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How about this for a wild ride.... :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

The Fed effectively promised unlimited support and the market punishingly turns its back.

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Jeez it’s been while, Hope u gals n guys are all well and safe in these turbulent times...

As for the Markets, Stay calm, don’t over leverage and be sensible.

I will post a chart later this week for what’s is worth, I like 18156Dow.

Tech is lagging would really like to see below 4646 dailyclose, key us market will all align to confirm the bear. Nas, spx, and Dow

Bottom line as I see it - major 1 at the top, that’s my preferred view anyways, current in m2 bear, with an outside chance of this being cycle top correction , either way line in sand lowest daily close in feb 2016.

All imho.
take care

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I’ve closed my longs on the Dow....
Gone short but may sit on sideline due to witching ....very crazy volatile trading today...
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I’ve noticed a bullish pattern on the Dow and even ftse...
The Dow, if it breaks above 20500 it could signal a possible move of 1500 points higher to 22000.....
The pattern is a rounded bottom....it’s clear to see on the hourly...
Ftse 100.... has similar patterns in different time frames as well...rounded bottom on 1 hour and also 5 min....
The main trend is still down so bear that in mind ,also due to corona virus it’s kinda risky going long .
I will be going long as I always watch the markets and will be ready to close my longs in a hurry..
Also bear in mind it’s Friday and I would not be holding positions during the weekends due to corona virus...







Also it’s triple witching day today...loads of shorts contracts will be closing out so may add to bullishness ....
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